so i find this next argument to be very intriguing...
from Elder Orson F. Whitney
i bear in mind another noted visitor, a great scholar, who came here many years after the advent of the railroad. i became well acquainted with him, and we had more than one conversation together. he seemed to know all about law, literature, science, philosophy, and had a dozen languages at his tongue's end. he said to me one day: "you Mormons are all ignoramuses. you don't even know the strength of your own position. it is so strong that there is only one other position tenable in the whole Christian world., and that is the position of the Roman Catholic Church. the issue is between Mormonism and Catholicism. if you are right, we are wrong. if we are right, you are wrong. and that's all there is to it. these Protestant sects haven't a leg to stand on; for if we are right, we cut them off long ago as apostates; and if we are wrong, they are wrong with us, for they were part of us and came out of us. if we have the apostolic succession from St. Peter as we claim, there was no need of Joseph Smith and Mormonism; but if we have not that succession, such a man as Joseph Smith was necessary and Mormonism's position is the only consistent one. it is either the perpetuation of the gospel from ancient times, or the restoration of the gospel in latter days."
now, i know what the response is, but i will post that later. i want to know what you think first!
cameron, this one's for you. (;